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From: Julien Rossignol  <rossignol@xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 8:00am
Subject: être humain

 
être humain c'est simple, mais parfois dur à la rester.

Simple, être humain c'est respecter les uns les autres et tout ce qui
nous entoure.
respecter le compagnon, respecter le collègue, respecter la nourriture
et l'eau dont on a besoin pour vivre. Se rappeler que tout est un don
que la Terre nous fait.

C respecter le moustique, la fourmis et même la pierre sur laquelle est
se repose.
C remercier quand on rammasse un merveilleux bouquet de fleur, c
remercier de pouvoir boire de l'eau pur et rafaichissante, c remercier
le gibier que l'on viens de tuer et que l'on va manger.

soyons plus que des Hommes soyons humains.
482

From: Julien Rossignol  <rossignol@xxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 8:01am
Subject: Solidarité avec les femmes d'afganistan

 
Texte en français après.

Asunto:
             Solidaridad con las mujeres de Afganistan

Por favor firma abajo para apoyar e incluir tu ciudad. Despues, copia y
envia por e-mail a tantas personas te 
es posible. Si recibes esta lista con mas de 50 nombres en ella, por
favor envia una copia por  e-mail a 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061166091237093031172223163248053012134026015189053027152143209211 <mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061166091237093031172223163248053012134026015189053027152143209211>  Incluso si
decides no firmarlo, por favor ten 
consideracion y no mates la peticion. Gracias. Es preferible copiar y
enviar que reenviar.


TEXTO:


El gobierno de Afganistan ha declarado una guerra contra las mujeres. La
situacion  esta empeorando por 
momentos, tanto que una persona de una editorial del Times comparo el
trato de las mujeres alli con el trato 
de los judios en Polonia en la epoca del pre-holocausto. Desde que el
Taliban consiguio el poder en 1996, las 
mujeres han tenido que llevar burqua y han sido golpeadas en publico por
no llevar el atuendo apropiado, 
incluso solo por no llevar la rejilla cubriendolas los ojos. Una mujer
fue golpeada a MUERTE por un grupo de 
fudamentalistas enojados, por descubrir su brazo accidentalmente
mientras conducia. Otra fue apedreada a 
muerte por intentar abandonar el pais con un hombre que no era familiar
suyo. No se permite a las mujeres 
trabajar y ni siquiera salir en publico sin un familiar varon; mujeres
profesionales como catedraticas, 
traductoras, medicos, abogadas, artistas y escritoras han sido sacadas
de sus trabajos y metidas en casa, lo 
que hace que la depresion este siendo tan comun que esta alcanzando
limites de emergencia.


En esta sociedad islamica tan extremista, no hay manera de conocer con
certeza cual es el indice de 
suicidios, pero  voluntarios estiman que el indice de suicidios entre
mujeres ha incrementado 
significativamente ya que no pueden encontrar la adecuada medicacion
para tratar tan severas depresiones y 
prefieren acabar con sus vidas que vivir en tales condiciones. Las casas
en donde haya mujeres, deben tener 
las ventanas pintadas para asi no ser vistas nunca por transeuntes.
Deben llevar zapatos silenciosos para no 
ser oidas.


Las mujeres viven temiendo por sus vidas por la minima conducta
inadecuada. Como no pueden trabajar, 
aquellas sin familiares varones o sin maridos se estan muriendo de
hambre o estan mendigando en las
calles, incluso las que tienen doctorados. Casi no hay ayudas medicas
para mujeres y la mayoria de los 
voluntarios, en protesta, han abandonado el pais, llevando medicinas,
psicologos y otras cosas necesarias para 
tratar las depresiones tan profundas que sufren las mujeres.


En uno de los pocos hopitales para mujeres, un reportero encontro
cuerpos casi sin vida encima de las camas, 
envueltas en su burqua, sin ganas de hablar, ni de comer, ni de hacer
nada, simplemente estan dejando pasar 
la vida lentamente.  Otras se han vuelto locas y se encontraban
agachadas en las esquinas, balanceandose 
continuamente o llorando, muchas de ellas por miedo.


Cuando se acabe el poco medicamento que le queda, un doctor tiene
pensado dejar a estas mujeres delante 
de la residencia del presidente como una forma de protesta pacifica.


Los hombres tienen poder absoluto sobre la vida y muerte de sus
familiares de sexo femenino, sobre todo de 
sus esposas. Incluso los grupos de hombres enojados tienen derecho a
apedrear o golpear a una mujer, a 
menudo hasta  la muerte, por exponer un centimetro de su carne o por
ofenderles minimamente.


Las mujeres disfrutaron de una libertad relativa de vestir como
quisieran, conducir y aparecer solas en 
publico hasta 1996 -- la rapidez de esta transicion es la principal
razon de la depresion y suicidio; mujeres que 
antes eran educadoras o medicos o sencillamente estaban acostumbradas a
libertades basicas, estan siendo 
severamente restringidas y tratadas inhumanamente en nombre del
fundamentalismo islamico de derechas. 
No forma parte de su tradicion o "cultura" sino que es ajeno a ellas,
incluso se considera extremo para 
aquellas culturas en donde el rige el fundamentalismo.


Todo el mundo tiene derecho a una existencia humana tolerable, incluso
si son mujeres de un pais musulman 
cuya cultura no comprendamos. Si se ha podido amenazar a las fuerzas
militares en el Kosovo en nombre de 
los derechos humanos en apoyo de los albanos etnicos, la ONU ciertamente
podra expresar su ira pacifica 
por la opresion, asesinato e injusticia cometida por el Taliban contra
las mujeres.


**********


  DECLARACION:

Firmando esta declaracion, afirmamos que el trato hacia las mujeres en
Afganistan es totalmente 
INACEPTABLE y merece el apoyo y accion de las ciudadanas, los ciudadanos
y los gobiernos de todo el 
mundo y que la situcion actual no sera tolerada tampoco por la ONU. En
todas partes los derechos de la 
mujer tienen  importancia y es INACEPTABLE que mujeres en 1998 sean
tratadas de manera tan inhumana 
y como si fueran posesiones. La igualdad y la dignidad humana son
DERECHOS, no libertades, tanto si
se vive en Afganistan como si se vive en cualquier otro lugar del mundo.


*****


                                                                                
Traduction

Sujet:
             Solidarité avec les femmes d'Afghanistan


S'il te plaît signe ci-dessous pour soutenir  la pétition et y inclure
ta ville. Puis copie-la et envoie-la par e-mail 
à autant de personnes que possible. Si tu reçois cette liste avec plus
de 50 noms, s’il te plaît envoie une copie 
par e-mail à http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061166091237093031172223163248053012134026015189053027152143209211  <mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061166091237093031172223163248053012134026015189053027152143209211>
Même si tu décides de ne pas 
signer, s’il te plaît ne tue pas la pétition. Merci. Il est préférable
de copier et envoyer que de réenvoyer.


TEXTE :

Le gouvernement d’Afghanistan a déclaré une guerre contre les femmes.
Par moment la situation empire au 
point que, dans un éditorial du Times, une personne à comparé le
traitement des femmes là-bas avec le 
traitement des juifs en Pologne à l’époque prè-holocauste. Depuis que
les Talibans ont pris le pouvoir en 
1996, les femmes ont du porter la burka et ont été frappées en public si
elles ne portent pas le costume 
approprié, même si c’est seulement pour ne pas porter le petit grillage
couvrant les yeux. Une femme fut 
frappée à MORT par un groupe de fontamentalistes en colère parcequ’elle
avait découvert son bras 
accidentellement pendant qu’elle conduisait. Une autre fut lapidée à
mort pour avoir essayé d’abandonner le 
pays avec un homme qui n’était pas de sa famille. Il est interdit aux
femmes de travailler et de sortir en 
public sans un homme de leur famille ; des professionnelles comme des
professeurs d’Université, des 
traductrices, des médecins, des avocates, des artistes, et des écrivains
ont été chassées de leur travail et 
renvoyées à leurs foyers avec pour conséquence, que la dépression est
devenue si commune qu’elle atteint 
une situation d’urgence.

Dans cette société islamique si extrémiste on ne peut connaître de
manière certaine l’indice de suicide mais 
des volontaires estiment que l’indice de suicide des femmes s’est élevé
de façon significative puisqu’on ne 
peut trouver le remède adéquat pour traiter de si sévères dépressions ;
les femmes préfèrent achever leur vie 
que vivre dans de telles conditions. Les maisons où il y a des femmes
doivent avoir les fenêtres peintes pour 
qu’ainsi les passants ne puissent jamais les voir. Elles doivent porter
des chaussures silencieuses pour ne pas 
être entendues.

La plus minime conduite inadéquate fait craindre aux femmes pour leur
vie. Comme elles ne peuvent pas 
travailler celles qui n’ont pas d’hommes dans leur famille ou pas de
mari meurent de faim ou mendient dans 
les rues, même les plus hautes diplômées. Il n’y a pratiquement pas
d’aide médicale pour les femmes et la 
plupart des volontaires, pour protester, ont abandonné le pays,
emportant médicaments, psychologues, et tout 
le nécessaire pour traiter les dépressions profondes dont souffrent les
femmes.

Dans l’un des peu nombreux hôpitaux pour femmes, un reporter a rencontré
des corps presque sans vie 
gisant sur les lits, enveloppées dans leur burka, sans envie de parler,
ni de manger, ni de rien faire, 
simplement laissant passer la vie lentement. D’autres femmes sont
devenues folles et restent accroupies 
dans les  coins, se balançant continuellement ou pleurant, beaucoup
d’entre elles, de peur.

Quand le peu de médicament qui lui reste se terminera, un médecin pense
qu’il laissera ces femmes devant la 
résidence du président en forme de protestation pacifique.

Les hommes ont un pouvoir absolu sur la vie et la mort des membres de
leur famille de sexe féminin, surtout 
sur leur épouses. Les groupes d’hommes en colère ont le droit de lapider
ou de frapper une femme, souvent 
jusqu’à la mort, si elles exposent un cm de leur chair ou si elles les
ont un tant soit peu offensés.

Les femmes avaient jouient d’une relative liberté de s’habiller comme
elles le voulaient, conduire et 
apparaître seules en public jusqu’à 1996 – la rapidité de cette
transition est la principale raison des 
dépressions et des suicides ; des femmes qui auparavant étaient
éducatrices ou médecins ou simplement 
étaient accoutumées aux libertés basiques voient ces libertés sévèrement
restreintes et sont traitées 
inhumainement au nom du fondamentalisme islamique de droite. Cela ne
fait pas partie de leur tradition ou ² 
culture ² sinon que cela leur est étranger ; c’est considéré comme un
extrémisme même par ces cultures où 
règne le fondamentalisme.

Tout le monde a droit à une existence humaine tolérable même si ce sont
des femmes d’un pays musulman 
dont nous ne comprenons pas la culture. Si on a pu menacer de forces
militaires le Kosovo au nom des droits 
humains pour soutenir les Albanais, l’ONU pourra certainement exprimer
sa colère pacifique pour 
l’oppression, l’assassinat, l’injustice, commis par les Talibans contre
les femmes

**********

DECLARATION :

En signant cette déclaration, nous affirmons que le traitement envers
les femmes en Afghanistan est 
totalement INACCEPTABLE et mérite l’appui et l’action des citoyennes,
des citoyens, et des 
gouvernements du monde et que la situation actuelle ne sera pas, non
plus, tolérée par l’ONU. Partout les 
droits des femmes sont importants et il est INACCEPTABLE que des femmes
en 1998 soient traitées de 
manière aussi inhumaine et comme si elles étaient des possessions.
L’égalité et la dignité humaine sont DES 
DROITS, pas des libertés, que l’on vive en Afghanistan ou n’importe où
ailleurs dans le monde.

*****

1. Jose Poveda Ruiz. España
2. Carles Perez Orihuel. España
3. Manuel Maroto Ruiz. MUTXAMEL. PAIS VALENCIA.
4. Celia Martinez Vallejo. Alicante. España.
5. Lola Andres Pascual. Alicante. España.
6. Lidia Crespo Cortina. Alicante
7. Francesc Vaño Beneyto. Sant Vicent
8. Juana Esquembre Lon. España
9. Carmen Rocamora Garcia. Alicante. España
10. Juan Carlos Ivorra Bernabeu
11. Francisco Martinez-Abarca. Granada. Spain
12. Maria Isabel Rodriguez Garcia. Granada. Spain
13. Francisco Javier Medina Diaz. Madrid. Spain
14. Enrique J. de la Rosa. Madrid. Spain
15. Ros-Magda Alvarado-Mallart. Orsay. France
16. Luis Puelles. Murcia. Spain
17. Jose R. Naranjo. Madrid. Spain
18. Domingo Represa Sánchez. Madrid. Spain
19. Joan Marcet Morera, Sabadell. Spain
20. José Maria Becana Sanahuja. Fraga. Spain
21. José María Melgarejo Lanero. Fraga. Spain
22. Luis Campillo Maza.Fraga.Spain
23.Anselmo Iglesias Maza. Madrid. Spain
24. María J. de Paz López. Oviedo. Asturias
25. Amor López Jimeno. Valladolid. Spain.
26. Yannis Dimitriadis. Valladolid. Spain.
27. Noelia Perez Crespo. Spain.
28. Beatriz Sanchez Rodriguez. Sophia-Antipolis. France.
29. Aurelie Chapillon. Sophia-Antipolis. France
30. Marie Lesaint. Angers. France
31. Marie-Noëlle Martin - Bouchemaine - France
32. Catherine Rossignol - Bouchemaine - France
33. Julien Rossignol - Bordeaux - France
483

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:00am
Subject: msg from .yu

 
It's easy to say-we can't go on like this-but really, we can't do anything

>

> > about Kosovo conflict.

> > First of all, I wanted to ask you-do you know how it looks living under

> > pressure?

> > We (young people in Yugoslavia) can't do anything to Milosevic. We not

> > agree to his opinions and actions, but that's a problem shared by many

> > countries. He can get away with anything and everything will be as they

> > wish. Many people going out into the world (mostly intellectuals and

> > artists).

> > Many of my friends die in this war. My only desire was to go, now-to be

> > alive.

> > Clinton said: NATO must win the war- are they going to lose?

> > What we are? Some sacrifice lamb of a ideology the New World? It's
that?-I

> > agree!

> > It's a disgrace for all of us, but I live in hope...

> >

> > Sorry beacause of language.

> > Ana

> > "(My dream will never come true ..)"
484

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:02am
Subject: TR: negociations de rambouillet

 
Objet : negociations de rambouillet


Jean François Lorentz
Qui peut m'expliquer pourquoi les négociations de Rambouillet entre les
serbes et les Kosovars ont échoué : on a entendu pendant longtemps si les
négociations echouent, il y aura des frappes aériennes. Maintenant on
entends Milosevic dire : je veux bien des observateurs non armés pour
vérifier l'installation de la paix au Kosovo : qui peut aller controler une
armée serbe sans avoir des armes pour  se défendre. qui est pret à aller
s'opposer sans armes à l'armée serbe qui rase les maisons kosovars et qui
fait fuir les kosovars de leur pays ?
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Richard L.C. Pleasants <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=194154235056158233169158203085130130248222066198043241152211073019>
À : Viktor Ginic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=014064192112082072172218186101249239039105066102209171188199>
485

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:02am
Subject: TR: negociations de rambouillet

 
Envoyé : samedi 24 avril 1999 17:59
  Objet : negociations de rambouillet


  Jean François Lorentz
  Qui peut m'expliquer pourquoi les négociations de Rambouillet entre les
  serbes et les Kosovars ont échoué : on a entendu pendant longtemps si les
  négociations echouent, il y aura des frappes aériennes. Maintenant on
  entends Milosevic dire : je veux bien des observateurs non armés pour
  vérifier l'installation de la paix au Kosovo : qui peut aller controler
une
  armée serbe sans avoir des armes pour  se défendre. qui est pret à aller
  s'opposer sans armes à l'armée serbe qui rase les maisons kosovars et qui
  fait fuir les kosovars de leur pays ?
  -----Message d'origine-----
  De : Richard L.C. Pleasants <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=194154235056158233169158203085130130248222066198043241152211073019>
  À : Viktor Ginic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=014064192112082072172218186101249239039105066102209171188199>
486

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:03am
Subject: TR: negociations de rambouillet

 
Objet : Re: negociations de rambouillet


Les observateurs de l Osce étaient là bas.Ils ont eu deux (2) blessés légers
en quelques mois, et , sur ordre du Président des USA,(ils étaient commandés
par un américain, cela rappelle le coup des contrôleurs en Irak) ils ont
évacué. les franchis qui en faisaient partie ont dit leur étonnement de ce
départ .
on en voit la raison maintenant.
S'ils étaient restés, les "miliciens serbes " n'auraient pas agi
impunément.A mon avis, l'UCK n'aurait pas pu faire ce qu'elle
voulait......il y a collusion évidente entre UCK et USA donc OTAN
Que foutons nous dans cette galère?
487

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:03am
Subject: TR: negociations de rambouillet

 
> Gérard VANSTEENE wrote:
>
> Les observateurs de l Osce étaient là bas.Ils ont eu deux (2) blessés
> légers en quelques mois, et , sur ordre du Président des USA,(ils
> étaient commandés par un américain, cela rappelle le coup des
> contrôleurs en Irak) ils ont évacué. les franchis qui en faisaient
> partie ont dit leur étonnement de ce départ .
> on en voit la raison maintenant.
> S'ils étaient restés, les "miliciens serbes " n'auraient pas agi
> impunément.A mon avis, l'UCK n'aurait pas pu faire ce qu'elle
> voulait......il y a collusion évidente entre UCK et USA donc OTAN
> Que foutons nous dans cette galère?

Lisez, svp.

http://www.balkanaction.org/pubs/dkia.html
488

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:05am
Subject: What will be left of Yugoslavia after the bombing?

 
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      By the Editorial Board
      13 April 1999
      One of the most grisly atrocities carried out by NATO bombers to date
occurred shortly before noon (local time) on Monday, when attack planes
fired missiles at a passenger train traversing a bridge at the Serbian
location of Grdelicka Klisura, 180 miles south of Belgrade. As of this
writing ten corpses have been recovered from the wreckage, and another 16
passengers are reported injured.

      The train was scheduled to run from Belgrade to Salonika in Greece,
and the dead and injured included foreign passengers, including Greek
journalists. A railway official said a young girl was among the dead, some
of whom were dismembered or burned beyond recognition.

      The train had not completely left the bridge over the Juzna Morava
River when an electricity cable supplying its power was cut by a missile
fired from a NATO plane at a road bridge over the track. "The plane then
returned and hit the train," said an official from the Yugoslav Army's press
center.

      Two passenger cars plunged from the bridge into the river at the
bottom of a ravine. CNN reporter Brent Sadler described the carnage, in a
30-second live dispatch, as a scene of "blood amid the debris."

      "Show this to Clinton," said one onlooker, pointing to burned clothes
and human remains. "What will NATO's explanation be now? Or have they now
switched to civilian targets only," he said with a shaking voice.

      Clinton's answer came a few hours later, when he addressed US Air
Force personnel at the Barksdale base in Louisiana, whose B-52 bombers have
been active in the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia. Clinton told his audience
that their involvement in the NATO air strikes represented "America at its
best."

      With the connivance of a docile media, which refuses to give an
objective account of civilian casualties, the United States is targeting
factories, residential areas, schools and similar facilities in Serbia,
Montenegro and Kosovo. The aim of this massive air assault is to intimidate
the Serb people and break their will to resist. Nothing approaching the NATO
air war has been seen in Europe since the Second World War.

      As the bombing campaign has proceeded, the frequency of attacks on
civilian targets has increased and the level of civilian casualties has
risen. It is impossible to accept the claims of US and NATO officials that
this is merely accidental. In the first days of the war, Washington and its
European allies held back from attacking civilian targets out of concern for
public opinion in the West. But as it became clear that the media campaign
to demonize the Serbs had achieved considerable success, they felt their
hands had been freed to intensify the drive to terrorize the population.

      The passenger train was only one in a long list of industrial and
civilian targets hit by NATO bombs and missiles over the past several days.
These include:


        a.. The second strike in the past four days on the Zastavka
industrial complex in Kragujevac, 45 miles southwest of Belgrade, which
produces the Yugo automobile. Last week NATO jets hit the plant despite the
fact that the workers had surrounded the factory in an attempt to ward off a
bomb assault. That attack injured 124 people. An additional 36 workers were
injured in Monday's strike. Some 38,000 workers have been left without a job
or livelihood as a result of the damage to the industrial complex.

        b.. NATO warplanes bombed an industrial complex in the central
Serbian town of Krusevac, razing to the ground the town's heating plant and
the 14 Oktobar factory, a leading manufacturer of building machines in the
Balkans. The destruction of these facilities, less than a mile from the
center of Krusevac, left 6,000 workers jobless and resulted in an
unspecified number of civilian casualties.

        c.. In the industrial town of Pancevo, across the Danube River from
Belgrade, one of Yugoslavia's biggest oil refineries was demolished by NATO
jets.

        d.. A NATO missile struck a residential area in Serbia's second
largest city, Novi Sad. Two of the city's three bridges over the Danube were
destroyed in the first two weeks of the air war.

        e.. Twelve civilians died from a bomb that landed in the center of
the town of Cuprija on Thursday night, leaving 400 families homeless.

        f.. More than twenty civilian buildings were damaged by a NATO
missile fired early Sunday into the village of Turekovac, west of Leskovac.

        g.. NATO aircraft bombed civilian targets in the environs of
Kraljevo, central Serbia, Saturday night. The village school in Bogutovac
was destroyed, after being hit by six missiles. NATO bombs also damaged
schools in the villages of Raska, Lacevci, Tavnik and Lozno.

        h.. Over 50 cruise missiles hit the Kosovan capital of Pristina
Saturday night. Shatina airport outside of the city came under renewed
attack on Sunday. The region southeast of the capital was also targeted,
with cluster bombs striking the southern Kosovan municipality of Lipljani.

        i.. A three-year-old girl was one of three people killed in the
Saturday night bombing of the village of Mirovac in northern Kosovo. A total
of ten missiles were fired on the region.

        j.. Two more radio relay stations were hit by cruise missiles over
the weekend.
      Since the beginning of the air war on March 24, 300 civilians have
been killed and 3,000 injured by the NATO assault, according to Yugoslav
officials. But these figures are bound to rise rapidly, as NATO steps up its
attack on cities, towns and industrial facilities. Appearing on NBC TV's
"Meet the Press" on Sunday, US General Wesley Clark, the NATO supreme
commander, said the massive air campaign, now employing 700 planes, is "on
track and being intensified."

      Over the past several days the Pentagon has announced the dispatch of
an additional 82 planes to Europe, and Britain has sent its aircraft carrier
HMS Invincible to join the USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Adriatic Sea.

      The economic, social and environmental catastrophe that is being
created by the NATO war was outlined at a press conference held Monday in
Ottawa by the Ad-Hoc Committee to Stop Canada's Participation in the War in
Yugoslavia. Michel Chossudovsky, a professor of economics at the University
of Ottawa, issued a summary of facts on the impact of the bombing campaign.

      Citing Yugoslav sources, he said NATO has thus far flown nearly 3,000
attack sorties, "with 200 in one night alone against designated targets." It
has dropped thousands of tons of explosives and launched 450 cruise
missiles.

      "The bombings have not only been directed against industrial plants,
airports, electricity and telecommunications facilities, railways, bridges
and fuel depots," he said, "they have also targeted schools, health clinics,
day care centers, government buildings, churches, museums, monasteries and
historical landmarks."

      Highlighting the impact of the air war on Yugoslav workers,
Chossudovsky reported: "Several thousand industrial facilities have been
destroyed or damaged with the consequence of paralyzing the production of
consumer goods. According to Yugoslav sources, 'By totally destroying
business facilities across the country, 500,000 workers were left jobless,
and 2,000,000 citizens without any source of income or possibility to ensure
minimum living conditions.' Western estimates as to the destruction of
property in Yugoslavia stand at more than US$10 billion."

      The press release notes that NATO air strikes have targeted small
villages as well as large cities, and suggests that Yugoslav officials have
deliberately underestimated the scale of civilian casualties.

      NATO bombs have also, according to the press release, taken a
devastating toll on hospitals and health care institutions. Thirteen of the
country's major hospitals have been partially damaged or totally destroyed.
Nor have schools been spared. More than 150 have been damaged or destroyed,
leaving 800,000 students without instruction.

      The US-led air war has further targeted historical and cultural
landmarks. These include the Gracanica monastery, which dates back to the
14th century, the Pec Patriarchate (13th century), the Rakovica monastery
and the Petrovarardin Fortress, all of which are on the UNESCO World
Heritage list.

      Chossudovsky presents a horrific picture of the environmental damage,
both short-term and-long-term, being inflicted by the US and NATO.
"Refineries and warehouses storing liquid raw materials and chemicals have
been hit, causing environmental contamination. The latter have massively
exposed the civilian population to the emission of poisonous gases."

      He quotes the Serbian Minister for Environmental Protection, Branislav
Blazic: "The aggressors were lying when they said they would hit only
military targets and would observe international conventions, because they
are using illegal weapons such as cluster bombs, attacking civilian targets
and trying to provoke an environmental disaster."

      An NBC TV report confirmed that NATO bombed the Galenika
pharmaceutical complex, the largest medicine factory in Yugoslavia, located
on the outskirts of Belgrade. The population was advised to wear gas masks
to protect them from the dangerous emissions resulting from the explosion,
but they do not, in fact, have such gas masks.

      Besides atmospheric contamination, civilians are facing an erosion in
the supply of clean drinking water. In Belgrade, in particular, the water
supply is at risk following the bombing of the Zarkovo water facility.

      In considering the savagery of the US-NATO air assault, and its
systematic targeting of Yugoslav industry, it should be recalled that US
imperialism has pursued a policy of deindustrialization in the countries
that emerged from the collapse of Stalinist rule in Eastern Europe and the
breakup of the Soviet Union. It has been a deliberate aim of American policy
to dismantle large sections of industry in these countries, so as to
eliminate "excess capacity" and further the interests of American-based
transnational corporations. Similar considerations play no small role in the
military strategy of the US in Yugoslavia.

      Those waging the war respond to the more horrific cases of "collateral
damage" with perfunctory statements of regret, followed by assertions that
the bombing is designed to cause the least possible injury to the general
population. But as the toll of death and destruction mounts, it becomes
increasingly clear that the aim of the US-led NATO bombing campaign is the
decimation of the industrial and social infrastructure of Yugoslavia.

      As the tragic precedent of Iraq demonstrates, the extent of the
devastation will only become clear after the war has ended. In the years
following the Persian Gulf War, some 1,000,000 Iraqi children have died as a
result of military action and economic sanctions. How many hundreds of
thousands of Yugoslavs will perish in the aftermath of a war that has
largely destroyed the country's economic foundations?

      The eruptions of killing and death in the Balkan peninsula over the
past decade have occurred within the context of civil wars whose cause is to
a great extent rooted in the economic policies imposed on Yugoslavia in the
1970s and 1980s by the Western powers and imperialist financial institutions
such as the International Monetary Fund. By the 1980s these policies had
severely eroded the economic infrastructure which had for three decades
after the Second World War enabled the Yugoslav people to live in peace. The
resulting social crisis--rising unemployment, declining living
standards--provided fertile ground for various capitalist powers, above all
the United States, to encourage the growth of ethnic animosities, which were
manipulated to further American and European designs in the region.

      As terrible as the civil strife that has plagued the Balkans, far more
horrific is the deliberate destruction of Yugoslavia, carried out in the
pursuit of geo-political and economic interests that are kept concealed from
the American and European people. All of the governments that are involved
in this criminal enterprise will stand condemned before the bar of history.

      See Also:
      Depleted Uranium in NATO missiles threatens generations to come
      [13 April 1999]
      Workers at Serb car plant bombed by NATO make appeal to world public
      [13 April 1999]
      Russia and the Balkan war
      NATO's bombing of Belgrade changes the political balance of forces in
Moscow
      [13 April 1999]
      War in the Balkans
      [WSWS Full Coverage]



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From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:08am
Subject: TR: negociations de rambouillet

 
de serber
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061056091254056209015199109101130222071219042
 Objet : Re: negociations de rambouillet


Les négociations de Rambouillet n'étaient, en fait, qu'un ultimatum adressé
à la partie serbe: évacuer son armée, sa police du Kosovo - son propre
territoire .. ceci est très impoprtant - ensuite la création d'un parlement
et tout se qui en découle ainsi que la mise en place d'un président du
Kosovo - Albanais bien évidemment - et tout ceci sous le patronnage de
l'Otan. Le parlement du Kosovo aurait le droit de s'immiscer dans les
affaires intérieures à la Serbie et la Yougoslavie mais pas l'inverse !!!!
Tout ceci pendant une période de trois ans après quoi un réferendum serait
organisé pour l'autodétermination du Kosovo - à savoir que dans la parlement
instauré au Kosovo il n'y aurait que des albanais ... alors que les autres
minorités ne seraient en aucun cas représentées ( Turcs, Tziganes,
Egyptiens, Les Gorans, Monténégrins, Musulmans non albanais, et Serbes) ce
qui veut dire que toutes ces minorités seraient chassées en silence et bien
évidemment le résultat du réferendum dans un cas pareil est connu d'avance.
Le plus grave est que la Serbie n'aurait plus aucun moyen de contrôle sur
son propre territoire vu que le parlement du Kosovo pourrait intervenir dans
les affaires internes de la Serbie mais pas l'inverse - de même que l'Otan
dans ce cas précis. Ceci, bien évidemment, personne ne pourrait l'admettre
et encore moins signer un un papier pareil.
Ne signant pas la Serbie s'exposait aux bombardements des "alliés", ce qui
arriva le 24.03.99.
A savoir que Belgrade n'a jamais combattu "Les Albanais" mais les
terroristes de l'UCK, alors que ces derniers avaient pour ennemis "les
Serbes" en général qu'ils voulaient chasser de la région jusqu'au dernier.
Dénoncer ainsi un peuple tout entier, le mettre au pilori comme le font les
Occidentaux depuis des années est du racisme pur et simple. L'offensive
militaire au Kosovo s'est développé après que la guerre ait été déclenchée
par les Occidentaux avec leur frappes "chirurgicales". Les Serbes
craignaient, à juste titre, la présennce dans leur dos d'une force militaire
de l'UCK armée et équipée par les USA. La tragédie du Kosovo et les milliers
de réfugiés qui se pressent aux frontières sont une conséquence directe des
"frappes" de l'Otan.
D'autre part si les Occidentaux tiennent tant à la démocratie et aux droits
d'expression pourquoi avoir bombardé la télévision serbe, la RTS ????
Est-ce simplement, comme les médias aiment à nous le répéter, à cause de la
propagande ?? Ou serait-ce plutôt pour qu'on sache pas ce qu'ils sont en
train de faire et bombarder exactement ( avec toute leur technique si
sophistiquée il est comme inquiétant le nombre "d'erreurs" qu'ils ont pu
faire en bombardant soit des réfugiés albanais, soit des camps de réfugiés
de la guerre en Croatie et en Bosnie, soit des trains de voyageurs, soit
carrément raser deux rues entières d'une bourgade en serbie appelée
Aleksinac - ou il n'y a strictement rien de militaire -. Mais peut-être
qu'ils voulaient tout simplement pas qu'en occident on connaisse le nombre
de pertes, en hommes et en materiel, subies par l'Otan ??????????
Ci-après la liste des "quelques" pertes de l'Otan (désolé le texte est
uniquement en anglais)
Here is a brief list of reports detailing NATO losses in the current
Yugoslav war:
· On 26 March 1999, Russian GRU(Main Intelligence Directorate - military
intelligence service) confirmed that four USAF-16s were shot down by
SAMs and AAAs.
· On 27 March, 1999, BBC News reported that one USAF F-15E ground
attack/fighter aircraft was downed.
· On 28 March, 1999, the Yugoslav News Agency Tanjug reported that one
HH-60G Black Hawk, carrying two pilots and twelve troops, was shot and
crashed in Bosnian Serb territory between the towns of Bijeljina and
Tuzla, near the Serbian border.
· On 29 March, 1999, Yugoslav and Russian news agencies reported that
two more rescue helicopters were shot down, possibly also HH-60Gs.
· On 29 March, 1999, the Yugoslav News Agency Tanjug reported that a
German "Tornado IDS" was shot down.
· On 30 March, 1999, Yugoslav and Russian news agencies reported that
one British Harrier fighter aircraft was shot down.
· On 3 April, 1999, the Greek newspaper "Athinaiki" reported that twelve
dead American servicemen were delivered from Macedonia to the 424th
General Army Hospital in Thessaloniki on 1999-03-31, and then later
shipped to the United States.  Seven more bodies were delivered to the
hospital on 1999-04-1.  The newspaper reports that the bodies of the
dead American servicemen were delivered by American special troops,
which were joined by Greek police on the state border.  The delivery of
nineteen dead American servicemen to Greece was independently confirmed
by Macedonian customs officials.  They said that the coffins were
delivered in two batches—twelve and later seven—and escorted by American
military officers.  The bodies are believed to be those of American
pilots and members of rescue teams.
· On 7 April, 1999, the Greek newspaper "Athinaiki" reported that NATO
has lost a total of eighty-eight servicemen in Yugoslavia:  forty-four
Americans, eleven Germans, seven British and nineteen of various other
nationalities.  Athinaiki also reported that NATO has lost thirty-two
planes and helicopters in the conflict.  The casualties are being
transported through Greece.  Yugoslav media recently released pictures
of metal army coffins bearing American soldiers being carried by NATO
personnel through a border checkpoint in Macedonia.
· On 14 April, 1999, in an interview with the Russian military daily
"Krasnaya Zvezda", Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic said Yugoslavia
had so far shot down thirty-six NATO aircraft and one hundred and
nineteen cruise missiles(10% of the total used to date by the west).
President Milosevic accused NATO of hiding its losses.
----Message d'origine------
Ristitch Bernard
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From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:12am
Subject: TR: Info ou intox ?

 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Oliver Chouteau [mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=165158108153224057242158203219249223134102091046034079252143172050132101]
Envoyé : dim. 25 avril 1999 05:04

Objet : Info ou intox ?


                    Questions simples,

Au sujet des avions abattus par les Serbes. voici quelques questions simples
et a mon sens logiques.

J'ai lu grace a un message relaye que les Serbes avaient abattu quelques 10%
des avions de l'OTAN... A-t-on des photos des carcasses?
 Si en effet carcasses il-y-a, pourquoi ne les voient-t-on pas? Je suppose
que la television russe ou grec seraient tres heureuse de les porter a
l'ecran... ou alors est-ce que tout les avions supposement abattu se sont
ecrase au Montenegro ou encore en Bosnie sous controle Bosno-Croate? Si
c'est le cas mes felicitations a tous les pilotes pour leur sang-froid avec
un avion en flamme de garder a l'esprit la propagande de l'OTAN plutot que
de risquer leur vie...(dur a croire non?).
Si par contre, les carcasses sont presentes en Serbie comme peuves des
avions abattus, pourquoi n'a-t-on pas d'image? Les Serbes ont montre en long
en large et en travers la carcasse du F 117 US abattu au debut des
bombardements... pourquoi alors ne montrent-t-ils pas ces memes caracasses
d'avions abattus.  Ou alors, pour acceder a ces caracasses, faudrait-t-il
passer par des lieux ou l'armee Serbe ne veux pas que des Journalistes
mettent les pieds ou les yeux? De plus, si des pilotes ont ete tues,
pourquoi les familles ne seraient pas au courant... il est difficile de
croire que des familles de pilotes americains en operations au Kosovo
acceptent de ne rien dire si leur fils ou fille est tue au combat. Les
pilotes etant regulierement en contact avec leur famille; toute operation de
camouflage serait tres difficile.

Mon propos ici n'est pas de soutenir l'action de l'OTAN, mais de questionner
l'integrite et la qualite des informations au sujet des pertes de l'OTAN.

Je serais heureux de discuter avec qui le voudrait de ces informations.

                 Olivier CHOUTEAU
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From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:12am
Subject: TR:

 
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De : l c [mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=034233020182099198015199065056124253239105139218183041]
Envoyé : dim. 25 avril 1999 07:07
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Objet :


HERE AFTER - ONE OF THE MOST STUPID E-MAIL EVER RECEIVED FROM A
FRENCHMAN...

AFTER ALL, THAT IS ANOTHER PROVE, SHOWING THAT EAST EUROPE IS ONLY
ABOUT
PROPAGANDA...!

IS THERE ANY INSANE PERSON BELIEVING IN THIS FALLS REPORT???
PLEASE GET REAL!!!

************************************

Here is a brief list of reports detailing NATO losses in the current
Yugoslav war:

· On 26 March 1999, Russian GRU(Main Intelligence Directorate -
military
intelligence service) confirmed that four USAF-16s were shot down by
SAMs and AAAs.
· On 27 March, 1999, BBC News reported that one USAF F-15E ground
attack/fighter aircraft was downed.
· On 28 March, 1999, the Yugoslav News Agency Tanjug reported that one
HH-60G Black Hawk, carrying two pilots and twelve troops, was shot and
crashed in Bosnian Serb territory between the towns of Bijeljina and
Tuzla, near the Serbian border.
· On 29 March, 1999, Yugoslav and Russian news agencies reported that
two more rescue helicopters were shot down, possibly also HH-60Gs.
· On 29 March, 1999, the Yugoslav News Agency Tanjug reported that a
German "Tornado IDS" was shot down.
· On 30 March, 1999, Yugoslav and Russian news agencies reported that
one British Harrier fighter aircraft was shot down.
· On 3 April, 1999, the Greek newspaper "Athinaiki" reported that
twelve
dead American servicemen were delivered from Macedonia to the 424th
General Army Hospital in Thessaloniki on 1999-03-31, and then later
shipped to the United States.  Seven more bodies were delivered to the
hospital on 1999-04-1.  The newspaper reports that the bodies of the
dead American servicemen were delivered by American special troops,
which were joined by Greek police on the state border.  The delivery
of
nineteen dead American servicemen to Greece was independently
confirmed
by Macedonian customs officials.  They said that the coffins were
delivered in two batches—twelve and later seven—and escorted by
American
military officers.  The bodies are believed to be those of American
pilots and members of rescue teams.
· On 7 April, 1999, the Greek newspaper "Athinaiki" reported that NATO
has lost a total of eighty-eight servicemen in Yugoslavia:  forty-four
Americans, eleven Germans, seven British and nineteen of various other
nationalities.  Athinaiki also reported that NATO has lost thirty-two
planes and helicopters in the conflict.  The casualties are being
transported through Greece.  Yugoslav media recently released pictures
of metal army coffins bearing American soldiers being carried by NATO
personnel through a border checkpoint in Macedonia.
· On 14 April, 1999, in an interview with the Russian military daily
"Krasnaya Zvezda", Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic said
Yugoslavia
had so far shot down thirty-six NATO aircraft and one hundred and
nineteen cruise missiles(10% of the total used to date by the west).
President Milosevic accused NATO of hiding its losses.

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From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:13am
Subject: TR: STOP !!!!!

 
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Envoyé : sam. 24 avril 1999 22:47
À : Gérard VANSTEENE
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Objet : STOP !!!!!


PITIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EPARGNEZ MOI DE VOS MAIL !!!!!!!!!!!
ENLEVER MON ADRESSE DE VOS REPONSES ET FOUTEZ MOI LA PAIX !!!!!!!

MERCI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
493

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:14am
Subject: TR: - W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G -

 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Richard L.C. Pleasants [mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=194154235056158233169158203085130130248222066198043241152211073019]
Envoyé : dim. 25 avril 1999 15:10
Objet : - W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G -


IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS PEOPLE, IN THIS WORLD, IGNORANT
ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IN IT!!! HOW MUCH WRONG CAN YOU BE???
- W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G - W A R N I
N G -

WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, IS A  PURE PRODUCT OF RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA...
answer at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=034166044180056116050218000026229090134048234051197
********************************************************
Here is a brief list of reports detailing NATO losses in the current
Yugoslav war:

· On 26 March 1999, Russian GRU(Main Intelligence Directorate -
military
intelligence service) confirmed that four USAF-16s were shot down by
SAMs and AAAs.
· On 27 March, 1999, BBC News reported that one USAF F-15E ground
attack/fighter aircraft was downed.
· On 28 March, 1999, the Yugoslav News Agency Tanjug reported that one
HH-60G Black Hawk, carrying two pilots and twelve troops, was shot and
crashed in Bosnian Serb territory between the towns of Bijeljina and
Tuzla, near the Serbian border.
· On 29 March, 1999, Yugoslav and Russian news agencies reported that
two more rescue helicopters were shot down, possibly also HH-60Gs.
· On 29 March, 1999, the Yugoslav News Agency Tanjug reported that a
German "Tornado IDS" was shot down.
· On 30 March, 1999, Yugoslav and Russian news agencies reported that
one British Harrier fighter aircraft was shot down.
· On 3 April, 1999, the Greek newspaper "Athinaiki" reported that
twelve
dead American servicemen were delivered from Macedonia to the 424th
General Army Hospital in Thessaloniki on 1999-03-31, and then later
shipped to the United States.  Seven more bodies were delivered to the
hospital on 1999-04-1.  The newspaper reports that the bodies of the
dead American servicemen were delivered by American special troops,
which were joined by Greek police on the state border.  The delivery
of
nineteen dead American servicemen to Greece was independently
confirmed
by Macedonian customs officials.  They said that the coffins were
delivered in two batches—twelve and later seven—and escorted by
American
military officers.  The bodies are believed to be those of American
pilots and members of rescue teams.
· On 7 April, 1999, the Greek newspaper "Athinaiki" reported that NATO
has lost a total of eighty-eight servicemen in Yugoslavia:  forty-four
Americans, eleven Germans, seven British and nineteen of various other
nationalities.  Athinaiki also reported that NATO has lost thirty-two
planes and helicopters in the conflict.  The casualties are being
transported through Greece.  Yugoslav media recently released pictures
of metal army coffins bearing American soldiers being carried by NATO
personnel through a border checkpoint in Macedonia.
· On 14 April, 1999, in an interview with the Russian military daily
"Krasnaya Zvezda", Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic said
Yugoslavia
had so far shot down thirty-six NATO aircraft and one hundred and
nineteen cruise missiles(10% of the total used to date by the west).
President Milosevic accused NATO of hiding its losses.
********************************************************
IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS PEOPLE, IN THIS WORLD, IGNORANT
ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IN IT!!! HOW MUCH WRONG CAN YOU BE???

- W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G - W A R N I N G - W A R N I
N G -

WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, IS A  PURE PRODUCT OF RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA...
answer at : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=034166044180056116050218000026229090134048234051197
494

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:15am
Subject: TR: STOP !!!!!

 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Siepen Philippe [mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=081176235078158146025098001140006241078098057234034239188187073239015126083229073126]
Envoyé : dim. 25 avril 1999 16:21

Objet : Re: STOP !!!!!


  Chers tous,
  merci de retirer mon adresse de votre forum improvisé
  vos avis sur la question vous regarde (chacun)
  je ne suis pas indifférent sur le sujet mais si je souhaite entrer dans un
forum, je le ferai moi même.
  mais pour l’instant j’ai du travail et vos mel m’encombre et me font
perdre du temps.
  Philippe S.............
495

From: t e c h n a r t  <perconte@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 10:16am
Subject: TR: Un point de vue

 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061232114003021209112158031084129015039145091241061239152023230 [mailto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061232114003021209112158031084129015039145091241061239152023230]De la part de
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/info-ouar/post?protectID=061243020058158116036102203043247077174090238234043109182211073019142107228
Envoyé : dim. 25 avril 1999 18:47
Objet : Un point de vue


Vous avez tous adoré Solzhenitsyn, alors vous aller apprécier !
Souvenez vous de Goulag.
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